Author Interview: Everett Maroon
Today we bring you an interview with Everett Maroon, author of The Unintentional Time Traveler and Bumbling into Body Hair. In 2011 he was a regular contributor for GayYA— we’re so pleased to have him back for this interview on his books, trans YA, and himself. Hope you enjoy!
Fifteen-year-old Jack Inman has mad skills with cars and engines, but knows he’ll never get a driver’s license because of his epilepsy. Agreeing to participate in an experimental clinical trial to find new treatments for his disease, he finds himself in a completely different body—that of a girl his age, Jacqueline, who defies the expectations of her era. Since his seizures usually give him spazzed out visions, Jack presumes this is a hallucination. Feeling fearless, he steals a horse, expecting that at any moment he’ll wake back up in the clinical trial lab. When that doesn’t happen, Jacqueline falls unexpectedly in love, even as the town in the past becomes swallowed in a fight for its survival. Jack/Jacqueline is caught between two lives and epochs, and must find a way to save everyone around him as well as himself. And all the while, he is losing time, even if he is getting out of algebra class.
Vee: Can you tell us a little bit about yourself, and how you identify, to start?
Everett Maroon: I’m boring, that’s why I write books. I have two little kids and a very nice partner, and we live in the middle of nowhere, which lends itself to making up stories and doing things like staring at the clouds to figure out what kind of animal they resemble. I use the term “trans man” to describe myself, so I don’t see myself as at the malest male-y part of the gender binary, but a bit more in the middle. Like a cloud. A big puffy gender cloud.
V: Tell us about your book, The Unintentional Time Traveler (TUTT). What is it about? What should readers expect?
The logline of the book is this: “Jack’s seizures aren’t good for anything, except time travel.” So readers should expect a story that’s well within the boundaries of the time travel genre, but that is trying to pick apart several other things, like imagining disability as something empowering, unpacking gender but not by retelling yet another coming out narrative, trying to play with the idea of family history and how stories get lost between generations of people, and work against the idea of the “hero’s journey,” which is what a lot of YA fantasy and scifi boils down to.
V: Before you wrote TUTT, you wrote a memoir, Bumbling into Body Hair. What was the difference between writing these books for you?
E: Well, everything and nothing. They both are looking to create a new space in their respective genres — I find a lot of trans memoirs are pretty prescriptive, telling trans readers this and only this is the correct way to be a transsexual. That’s baloney. And a lot of YA, even stories that are trying to be more diverse, still center on cis and/or straight and/or white characters. So I wanted to push against the tropes of each genre, but with memoir the writer is trying to pull out the most important story from their own lived experience (or at least the most important for that particular book), and with fiction, well, the whole universe in the book is in play until the pieces make sense and tell the best story possible. I never had to worry about whether something in my life made “sense,” since it was just something I lived. In fact, the stranger a given event in my life, the better for its interestingness in the memoir! Fiction has kind of a stricter boundary with regard to random events.
V: As far as I know, TUTT is currently the only fictional YA book with a trans character that was written by a trans author. For trans readers, that is so important and amazing and validating. So I wanted to say thank you for that. And also wanted to ask what it’s like to be in that position!
E: God, is that really true? That’s pretty depressing. I know s.e. smith is shopping a fantastic novel about a trans teenage girl so hopefully that’s on the market in the next couple of years. I read several of the YA books on Lambda Literary’s long list this year, and I was concerned that some of the ones with trans characters really didn’t have great messages for trans-identified readers, especially young readers. We really need more trans YA out there. It’s kind of shocking there’s not more.
V: I’ve heard it said that one of the reasons there are so few trans authors writing trans YA is that adolescence is a difficult and uncomfortable period of their life to revisit. What do you think about that? What was it like to write this book for you?
E: Well, there are many reasons we don’t see more trans authors writing trans YA, and that may very well be one of them. Right now we’re on the cusp of what I think is going to be an explosion of trans literature, and by that I mean literature in all genres about the trans experience, written by trans-identified writers. But right now, looking at the publishing industry, there aren’t a lot of trans editors, certainly not at traditional large publishers, though there are a few at some small presses. Agents by and large don’t know how to shop trans book projects, so they just decline to represent writers. I know there are agents out there willing to take on trans-themed projects, but then they have to find a house, the house has to have an editor with cultural competency, etc. I’ve got a hybrid publisher that I work with, and I still have to redirect what can go on the covers of my books, for example. So it could be that the YA publishing machine isn’t really ready for trans YA by trans authors, or that trans writers are just telling other stories that some gatekeeper (including the authors themselves) figure aren’t good for a YA readership. Publishing has a lot of moving parts, and they just haven’t quite come together yet for trans YA to be emergent, but I know it’s going to happen at some point. There are too many interested readers, and not enough books. It will shift because it just has to. But for me, I’m much less concerned with my own adolescence and how it was difficult, than my annoyance that there weren’t books that I could relate to when I was a teen reader. So I have an interest in putting trans youth into popular culture, and I want them to have at least a few books that resonate with trans youth, and I hope my work does that.
V: What was your journey to publication like?
E: It was meandering. I got fourteen or fifteen rejections on the memoir, which was the first book I shopped around. Once I started working with my publisher it was easy to sell them on the YA novel, and it was my editor for the memoir (Jennifer Munro) who found the editor for the novel (Danika Dinsmore), and she was terrific. But yeah, I pounded the pavement for two-plus years to find a publisher for the memoir. I had to winnow it down from 104,000 words to 85,000, and then it was much more sellable. I got close to landing an agent three times, and those are now good relationships that I can think about turning to at some point in the future. Publishing, like every other industry, is about relationships. So even when the rejections hurt, the author needs to stay professional and move on. Getting a reputation as a whiner or defensive will only hurt emerging writers later on.
V: Let’s talk a little more about the book itself. How did having epilepsy as a teen affect the portrayal and inclusion of it in TUTT?
E: So just to clarify, I had epilepsy from the time I was a little more than a year old until I was thirteen. It was really a drag, with a lot of searching for the right medication, and then monthly blood tests to make sure I had enough medication in my system as I grew. I felt fuzzy in the head a lot of the time, but I didn’t know any differently, so I didn’t dwell on it at the time. I’ve had a number of grand mal (they don’t call them this anymore) seizures over the years, and strangely enough my brain always created a false memory for them — I have very vivid “memories” of being on The Price Is Right, which I gave a nod to in TUTT, of a burning shed, other things. I’ve always wondered what the relationship is between actual memory, perceived memory, our cognition, and our dreams, so I wanted to get at some of that in the novel. As a child I would pretend I could teleport, because I would go to sleep in my own bed and wake up in the hospital, so it was a coping strategy and an interesting way to deal with my reality, to make up a story about why I’d been moved, even if I knew very well that someone had brought me to the hospital. And just like Jack, I was teased about it pretty mercilessly in grade school but I had a few good friends who would stand up for me, so I muddled through with their help.
V: You said in a post you wrote for GayYA back in 2011 that you were interested in “making orientation and gender so fluid in the narrative that it would even be difficult to assign a pronoun to the protagonist,” which I think you’ve indeed been successful with. How would you go about explaining Jac(k)’s identity?
E: Well like I said earlier I wanted to write against tropes. I also wanted to write against the idea that all trans people see themselves as absolutely the other gender on the far, far end of the spectrum, and blammo, that is all there is to it. I wanted readers to have a conversation with themselves about who the protagonist becomes by the end of the novel. I want it open for debate whether people think Jack transitioned or not, or (SPOILER) is hiding out in Jacqueline’s life or not. I will close down a few of these possibilities with the second installation of the story (or maybe I won’t!), but for now, I want readers to determine what they think has happened with Jack’s gender identity.
V: There is a fair amount of racial diversity in TUTT, like Jac(k)’s best friend Sanjay and the character Darling. Can you talk about the development of those characters?
E: For the logic of the story, I needed the two major time frames to be a certain distance apart, and I got a lot of pushback from agents that no contemporary YA novel can be set not in present time. They really didn’t like that Jack lived in the 1980s. But the historicity of the novel was important to me for plot reasons, but also to say that our country has its own story to tell, and it is a story that involved a lot of people who were cast to the margins for one reason or another. But without the slave trade, without immigrants of all kinds, without women’s labor (hence the chicken catching scene), we wouldn’t have the country we have today. So I wanted to think about who those people have been, at different moments, to push their communities forward, and what their participation looked like. Darling was the daughter of a freed slave, and Sanjay was first generation American, and Jack really takes their presence in his life and country for granted until they show him why their race and ethnic backgrounds are important. Jeannine too, is Cuban-American, and that will play a larger role in the next story. But I didn’t include these characters in order to tokenize them in the narrative—I wanted to be true to the kind of mixed neighborhood I grew up in and that reflects a lot of people’s neighborhoods and relationships. They each have moments where their specific experience has helped them have insight and they bring their intelligence to Jack’s quest, which will eventually work to support them in return.
V: The Unintentional Time Traveler has a sequel in the works. Can you give us a brief peek into what’s going to happen in it?
E: The working title right now is The Intermediate Time Traveler, suggesting that Jack has some more experience and control over his time travel ability. We will pull out a bit more and see more of his family relationships, but the second book is going to involve his buddies more, and Darling will be making a return as well. This one is going to answer many questions about the Travelers and the Guardians, and their complicated relationship, and reach much further back in time…
Thanks so much for these questions, I really enjoyed commiserating with you about them! And if folks have any more questions, they can ask in the comments or over on Goodreads where I allow for such things in their system. Happy reading, everyone!
Excerpt Tour: Simon VS the Homo Sapiens Agenda.
Here at GAY YA we are extremely excited about the upcoming SIMON VS. THE HOMO SAPIENS AGENDA by Becky Albertalli, and today we have the pleasure of featuring an excerpt from the book!
Get excited because SIMON it’s an amazing debut, and you do not want to miss it. No seriously, all that praise it has been getting online? Completely worth it and you need to check it ouuuut.
But first, what is it about?
Sixteen-year-old and not-so-openly gay Simon Spier prefers to save his drama for the school musical. But when an email falls into the wrong hands, his secret is at risk of being thrust into the spotlight. Now Simon is actually being blackmailed: if he doesn’t play wingman for class clown Martin, his sexual identity will become everyone’s business. Worse, the privacy of Blue, the pen name of the boy he’s been emailing, will be compromised.
With some messy dynamics emerging in his once tight-knit group of friends, and his email correspondence with Blue growing more flirtatious every day, Simon’s junior year has suddenly gotten all kinds of complicated. Now, change-averse Simon has to find a way to step out of his comfort zone before he’s pushed out—without alienating his friends, compromising himself, or fumbling a shot at happiness with the most confusing, adorable guy he’s never met.
Curious ? The following excerpt, is from one of the emails exchanged between Simon (Jacques in his emails) and Blue. Not only is the book adorable, but the humor is pretty on point…
FROM: hourtohour.notetonote@gmail.com
TO: bluegreen118@gmail.com
DATE: Oct 31 at 8:26 AM
SUBJECT: Re: hollow wieners
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SIMON VS. THE HOMO SAPIENS AGENDA comes out on April 7th, and it was chosen as the GAY YA BOOK CLUB pick for April! Don’t miss out on the fun and pre-order it now: B&N, Amazon, IndieBound. (The date for the official twitter chat will be announced soon.)
Aaaaand if you can’t get enough of SIMON, don’t worry we have got you covered.
You can read and fangirl over the other tour stops here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3. Tomorrow you can check out part 5, here.
And then you can go ahead and read our interview with Becky Albertalli here. See you at the book club!
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About the author:
Becky Albertalli is a clinical psychologist who has had the privilege of conducting therapy with dozens of smart, weird, irresistible teenagers; some of these experiences inspired her debut novel. She also served for seven years as co-leader of a support group for gender nonconforming children in Washington, DC. These days, she lives in Atlanta with her husband and two sons, and writes very nerdy contemporary young adult fiction. Visit her at www.beckyalbertalli.com and on Twitter: @beckyalbertalli.
Writing an Intersex, Agender Character
“…before you go on, yes, most likely whatever you’re about to ask is very rude. If you’re wondering about what’s under my clothing, it’s very rude. If you’re wondering about my genetics, my hormones, my biology… there’s a pretty damn short list of people for whom any of that is actually relevant. Having said that, for the sake of simplifying things: you and I would not be able to have children together, for example, unless we were to adopt or employ some extremely invasive medical science…” Ellis’ face showed that ey was unperturbed, perhaps familiar with impolite questions, and this was a well-rehearsed litany. –Superdome by Casca Green, page 83
The protagonist of my newly-released book is intersex and agender, which was not something I expected. I sat down to write Superdome with a few rough ideas in mind: one of my major characters was bisexual like me, but I wasn’t sure yet if I would even find a way to state or demonstrate this in the text. Prior to er current characterisation, Ellis’ role was filled by three different characters over several drafts, and problems with that role were the reason I kept discarding drafts. First I had an asexual, aromantic girl named Metal as protagonist. Metal was simply too angry to be relatable; she was so consumed by her desire for revenge that she was difficult to write, and I imagine she would have been difficult to relate to. My second draft replaced Metal with Aaron, who I felt was simply too traditional: while was a nice guy, he was fundamentally no different from any other genre-adhering superhero, white, male, and straight with unassailable morals. His mere presence made Superdome feel more like a genre piece than a deconstruction, and he bored me.
Slowly, Ellis started coming together: different powers, different gender, different personality and ideals. Ellis was unlike any other character I had ever written. An intersex, agender person with Antisocial Personality Disorder? There were times when I wondered if I was biting off more than I could chew, but Ellis developed into such a strong personality, demanding er share of the page, and I couldn’t deny em. Ellis’ romantic interest in every draft was pansexual; nothing about these character changes would interfere with the characters’ relationship dynamic in any meaningful way.
Part of the challenge of writing Ellis was placing em in a cultural context that wasn’t a crude extraction of western gender norms. How would the Dome culture handle Ellis’ intersexuality? What about Ellis and Ellis’ family? How would I handle pronouns, and would it be realistic and acceptable to allow other characters to arbitrarily assign a gender to Ellis, before meeting em properly? Ellis broke the floodgate on my hesitation, and my cast quickly evolved to include two lesbians, bisexual, asexual, and pansexual women, a man with a totally unidentifiable sexual orientation, people with disabilities and mobility devices, people with speech and communication disorders, and a Deaf man, all falling across various races and neurotypes. I doubted I’d find a publisher. I doubted I’d find readers.
The only thing I did not doubt was that I wanted this. It stayed true to my desired deconstructive tone and my need to be integral and honest in my writing. The people closest to the “typical” heroes still aren’t “typical” by any definition, and I reject the idea that superhero stories must intrinsically exclude disability. 15% of the population of the real world has at least one disability. One in four people in the US has a mental illness or atypical neurotype. The world of the Dome involves violence and significantly mutated DNA and genetic problems, so filling it with able-bodied, neurotypical, binary-gendered, heterosexual people wouldn’t make sense. Cities in particular have especially high populations of minority races and marginalized demographics; the Dome is a strict archetypal city which does not ignore this fundamental truth.
Why do I try and write marginalized characters, you might wonder. That’s reasonable; content creators should be scrutinized for how their own intersections of privilege and marginalization occur and touch the page. For the record, I have never been “normal.” I knew I was into men and women both, since I was eleven, even if it took me another seven years to admit it, and even longer to learn that non-binary genders exist and offer me no less attraction than binary genders. I’ve struggled with my own assigned gender for the past three years, and still I haven’t reached enough of a conclusion that I would be willing to call myself one gender or another. I was assigned “female” at birth, but I feel displaced from and alienated by much of what that word entails in western culture. I have more than one diagnosed mental illness and chronic physical problems.
I hope to continue to represent MOGAI (LGBT+) individuals and their life experiences in my books, which means Superdome is not the end of my efforts in this regard, but is in fact only a starting point. As of its release, I have yet to write male-male non-platonic relationships or transgender characters, but I do have plans to include both in my future works. My life has compelled me to deeply empathize with marginalized people, no matter the form of marginalization; I have no justification not to represent them, and myself among them, in my writing.
Criticism and Discussion of The Other Me
by Suzanne Van Rooyen
Authors need a thick skin. Putting a book out there for others to read takes enormous amounts of courage. Not only does it feel like you’re exposing yourself – if not laying your soul bare for strangers’ eyes – but you’re also opening yourself up to the possibility of criticism, and not just the constructive kind.
All of this I had experienced before with my previous novels, so I knew what was coming when my YA trans novel, The Other Me, made its way into the world. But I wasn’t entirely prepared for the kind of criticism my novel received.
The Other Me is an intensely personal story based on my experiences in high school as well as my own evolving gender identity. I wrote this novel from the heart. How my character feels and sees the world is almost exactly how I felt and experienced things at their age. I didn’t do any research for this novel – aside from the few trans novels I had already read and my own interactions with LGBT+ friends – because it was always a personal story first, a novel second, even when the characters took over and it became more about them than me. At the core of this story is my journey to understanding and accepting who I am.
While my book was mostly received positively, there was inevitably some criticism and I tried my best to learn from it. One reviewer – who identifies as trans – found the novel to have some cliché aspects and cliché expressions in it, such as the idea of being born in the wrong body. When I heard that, I was actually rather delighted because up until writing this novel I didn’t really believe that other people felt the same way I did or had been through what I was still grappling with. So, in hindsight, there are absolutely clichés in The Other Me simply because that was what went on inside my head and how I knew best to express myself at the time.
One of the most interesting and troubling criticisms I received comes from a highly respected trans reader who said they thought certain things in my book just didn’t ring true. This comment gave me a lot of food for thought, especially when it was echoed by other readers, trans and non-trans alike.
…We’re getting into spoiler territory so look away now if you wish…
In The Other Me, my character is struggling with their gender identity, eventually realizing that they want to be a boy, that they ‘are’ a boy albeit still anatomically female. My character doesn’t stop shaving or take up ball sports to compete with boys, they don’t have a particular interest in cars or topless women like the clichéd straight teenage boy; they still have long hair, paint their nails, sing in choir (are those specifically girly things?) and for some readers, this seemed to be a problem. My character wasn’t presenting as male enough to pass for trans.
This made me angry, sad, and concerned. Everyone’s gender identity and journey to that authentic self is going to be different. No one – straight or otherwise, cis or not – has the right to police another person’s identity, to set certain criteria defining an authentic trans experience. Not only is this mode of thinking awfully binary, it undermines the very freedom of identity expression so many in the LGBT+ community have been fighting for. To suggest that an FTM boy isn’t ‘male’ enough because he isn’t into typical ‘boy’ things and doesn’t present the way society has been conditioned to think males should present is extremely unfair and simply perpetuates the cycle of gender stereotyping and misgendering some of us are working so hard to leave in the past where it belongs.
Trans and non-binary teens – and many trans/non-binary adults too – have a hard enough time as it is feeling safe enough to be their authentic selves without facing additional prejudice from those within the LGBT+ community. I don’t believe we should have certain expectations about which experiences are more valid or genuine than others. Should a person who identifies as male never be allowed to wear a skirt again? Does a person who has shaves their head, grows their armpit hair, and never wears lipstick be denied the right to female pronouns? The idea that we within the LGBT+ community are starting to police others is despicable. We should be the last to judge, and yet we are often quick in passing sentence on those who are different from us, or who aren’t different enough from the supposed norm to join our acronymed ranks.
Is The Other Me a perfect book? Of course not, and I don’t expect everyone to like it. There are absolutely things I could’ve done better and I’m so glad I’ve had this opportunity to learn and grow from people in the LGBT+ community through discussion about my book. I was terrified of having The Other Me published, but I’m so glad that I did because of the questions it has raised and the awareness it has created, specifically the awareness it’s created for me as a genderqueer author.
Sneak Peek: Honey Girl by Lisa Freeman
Today, we’re honored to be hosting a short excerpt from the newly released Honey Girl by Lisa Freeman.
The records on my turntable were stacked starting with Joni Mitchell’s Ladies of the Canyon. When Rox flipped the switch, she listened and said, “I love Joni,” like she was her best friend or something.
It was the first time I had ever seen Rox without her waterproof mascara. She looked younger. Also, wearing my flannel nightgown and slippers, she looked downright sweet.
“Would you like to go to Fiji with me?” she asked, tickling the inside of my hand.
I rolled onto my side and thought before I answered. I imagined us running away together. Maybe we could find an apartment, work as stewardesses, and get fake IDs. It would be great to go to Fiji with Rox. We could kiss all the time, get a cat, name it Jerry, and be best friends forever.
“Yeah, definitely,” I told her.
Rox turned off the lava lamp next to my bed. Her silhouette moved closer, and her teeth glowed white in the dark. I hoped we were going to practice-kiss some more, but she tugged at my robe and said, “Let’s cuddle.”
Rox nuzzled against my ear and nestled her body into me real close.
“I love to cuddle,” she said, twisting the nightgown around her thigh. I waited for her to continue, but she didn’t. She just wrapped her arms around my midsection and pressed her nose into my neck. I guessed we were going to sleep.
Lying all tucked in was the best feeling I ever had.
I tried to breathe at the same time Rox did. It was like Double Dutch jump rope, trying to step in at the right time. Matching Rox’s rhythm was nearly impossible with my heart beating fast until she softly hummed off key with Joni Mitchell’s song “The Circle Game.” Then I relaxed into her.
Rox etched her name into my arm with her fingertips.
“Are we going to play the tickle game?” I asked.
The tickle game felt so good. I closed my eyes and let Rox swirl the tip of her finger slowly up the inside of my arm. When she got to the middle part, just on the other side of my elbow, I was supposed to stop her. That was the point of the game. But I let her keep going all the way to my shoulder because I didn’t want her to ever stop. She said, “I’m too hot in this.”
She took off the nightgown. Naked on her side in the dark, she looked better than Miss December. She was flawless.
The curve of her waist was just an inch from my hand. If I moved even a tiny bit I could touch her. But that inch might as well have been a million miles.
“You wanna go to Fiji?” Rox asked again.
I thought to myself, How great would that be—living on an island, in the middle of nowhere, with Rox? “I’m packed and ready.” I tried to look casual without moving any closer to her and kept an eye on that inch between us.
She smiled so I smiled. She pulled at the tie of my robe.
“It’s hot in Fiji. You better take this off,” she said.
I didn’t want to look like a prude, so I did what she said and laid back down. The distance between us didn’t last long. Rox rolled over me to the other side of the bed.
“Now, pretend you’re Jerry.”
We clutched each other tightly. It was like we were one person, hair tangled, bodies glued together until the third Joni Mitchell record flopped down and was halfway over. She pushed and squeezed herself tightly before letting go of the grip she had around my shoulders.
“Now, pretend I’m Nigel,” she told me.
When we were done, I was on the other side of reality.
Praise for Honey Girl
“Where was this book when I was fifteen? Honey Girl is a daring debut. A fierce story of female friendship, earned acceptance, and following the unwritten rules of Southern California beach boy and girl culture in the’70s.” —Jamie Lee Curtis
“A time machine that zipped me straight back into Southern California in 1972!…Lisa Freeman tells an authentic, funny, poignant, and touching story with a delicate but subversive feminist touch. Paddle out and hang ten with this gnarly read!” —Mimi Pond, author of Over Easy
“If Jane Austen had been a fifteen-year-old Southern California beach girl living in the 1970s, this is very possibly the novel she would have written. Lisa Freeman catches it all: the baby oil for tanning, the abalone bracelets, the taste of salt on skin. Honey Girl is a bildungsroman and book of etiquette rolled into one, and its subject is one of my favorite cultures: the brother (and sister) hood of surfing.” —Jim Krusoe, author of Parsifal
Where to buy HONEY GIRL: Amazon / B&N
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